This is one of our Dumbles on the CWGC website.
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=644484
Ernest Dumble son of Thomas and Sarah Ann.
Born 1886.
Married 1911 to Clara Wilcock : Westleigh, St. Peter.
{We will remember you}
I think his brother Leonard may also have been a soldier in the first world war but I have to get the papers off ancestry printed off from Ancestry.co from the library. They look in poor condition.
Thursday 8 May 2008
Welcome.
I know this is a bit late and it should have come at the start, but better late than never. Welcome to all reading this blog about the Dumbles.
Welcome to mum, Sheila, Ian and Merv. We all join the Dumble tree through Isabella born 1876.
Welcome to Amanda who joins through John born 1883.
Welcome to mum, Sheila, Ian and Merv. We all join the Dumble tree through Isabella born 1876.
Welcome to Amanda who joins through John born 1883.
Dumble deaths.
Lancashire BMD deaths for Leigh are not online yet so looking at Free BMD we have :
Mar 1880 Ann Dumble age 1 Wigan
Dec 1886 Robert Dumble age 65 Wigan
Sep 1892 Eva Isabella Dumble age 0 Wigan
Mar 1893 Margaret Hannah Dumble age 0 Wigan
Jun 1895 Annie Dumble age 0 Wigan
Sep 1898 Frederick Dumble age 0 Leigh
Mar 1900 Isabella Dumble age 0 Leigh
Mar 1900 Robert Dumble age 0 Leigh
**The month indicates the quarter of the year in which the event was registered.
Mar 1880 Ann Dumble age 1 Wigan
Dec 1886 Robert Dumble age 65 Wigan
Sep 1892 Eva Isabella Dumble age 0 Wigan
Mar 1893 Margaret Hannah Dumble age 0 Wigan
Jun 1895 Annie Dumble age 0 Wigan
Sep 1898 Frederick Dumble age 0 Leigh
Mar 1900 Isabella Dumble age 0 Leigh
Mar 1900 Robert Dumble age 0 Leigh
**The month indicates the quarter of the year in which the event was registered.
Dumble births.
Using the marvellous Lancashire BMD site, gives us the following years births were registered in, and the subdistrict :
In green I have tried to match to parents.
1861 Lice Dumble Hindley was this Thomas?
1872 Robert Dumble Westleigh William/Sarah
1874 Thomas Dumble Hindley William/Sarah
1876 Isabella Dumble Hindley William/Sarah
1878 Ann Dumble Hindley
1880 William Dumble Hindley William/Sarah
1883 Elizabeth Story Dumble Hindley Thomas/Sarah Bessie ?
1883 John Dumble Hindley William/Sarah
1885 Alice Ann Dumble Hindley William/Sarah
1886 Ernest Robert Dumble Hindley Thomas/Sarah
1887 Elizabeth Mary Dumble Hindley William/Sarah
1888 Joseph Dumble Hindley William/Sarah
1890 Ernest Dumble Hindley William/Sarah
1892 Eva Isabella Dumble Hindley
1892 Margaret Hannah Dumble Hindley
1893 Margaret Dumble Hindley William/Sarah?
1894 Annie Dumble Hindley
1895 Leonard Grainger Dumble Hindley Thomas/Sarah
1896 Sarah Dumble Leigh William/Sarah
1897 Edith Annie Dumble Hindley Thomas/Sarah
1898 Frederick Dumble Leigh
1900 Isabella Dumble Leigh
1900 Robert Dumble Leigh
When a birth,death or marriage was registered two copies were made one was kept by the local office (in this case the Lancashire BMD) the other was sent to the national office (Free BMD), as mistakes are made in the indexing we can look to the other to fill in the gaps.
Free BMD
Mar 1861 Thomas Dumble Wigan Robert/Isabella
Dec 1894 Mary Ellen Dumble Sunderland Robert/Annie
Dec 1896 William Dumble Sunderland Robert/Annie
What about the other names?
Without sending off for the certificates, or finding baptisms in the parish records we can only guess at their parents. And we need to check the death registers to see if they died.
In green I have tried to match to parents.
1861 Lice Dumble Hindley was this Thomas?
1872 Robert Dumble Westleigh William/Sarah
1874 Thomas Dumble Hindley William/Sarah
1876 Isabella Dumble Hindley William/Sarah
1878 Ann Dumble Hindley
1880 William Dumble Hindley William/Sarah
1883 Elizabeth Story Dumble Hindley Thomas/Sarah Bessie ?
1883 John Dumble Hindley William/Sarah
1885 Alice Ann Dumble Hindley William/Sarah
1886 Ernest Robert Dumble Hindley Thomas/Sarah
1887 Elizabeth Mary Dumble Hindley William/Sarah
1888 Joseph Dumble Hindley William/Sarah
1890 Ernest Dumble Hindley William/Sarah
1892 Eva Isabella Dumble Hindley
1892 Margaret Hannah Dumble Hindley
1893 Margaret Dumble Hindley William/Sarah?
1894 Annie Dumble Hindley
1895 Leonard Grainger Dumble Hindley Thomas/Sarah
1896 Sarah Dumble Leigh William/Sarah
1897 Edith Annie Dumble Hindley Thomas/Sarah
1898 Frederick Dumble Leigh
1900 Isabella Dumble Leigh
1900 Robert Dumble Leigh
When a birth,death or marriage was registered two copies were made one was kept by the local office (in this case the Lancashire BMD) the other was sent to the national office (Free BMD), as mistakes are made in the indexing we can look to the other to fill in the gaps.
Free BMD
Mar 1861 Thomas Dumble Wigan Robert/Isabella
Dec 1894 Mary Ellen Dumble Sunderland Robert/Annie
Dec 1896 William Dumble Sunderland Robert/Annie
What about the other names?
Without sending off for the certificates, or finding baptisms in the parish records we can only guess at their parents. And we need to check the death registers to see if they died.
Dumble marriages.
Using the wonderful Lancashire BMD site here is a list of the Dumble marriages up to 1901.
1870 Ann Dumble + Adam Horrocks St John Abram C7/1/118
1871 William Dumble + Sarah Hill St John Abram C7/1/128
1875 Elizabeth Dumble + Robert Clegg St John Abram C7/1/170
1882 Thomas Dumble + Sarah Ann Story St John Abram C7/1/266
1897 Isabella Dumble + Joseph Steele Westleigh St Peter C15L/1/211
1901 Thomas Dumble + Hannah Mary Mee Westleigh St Peter C15L/1/372
The other two relevant marriages from Free BMD site :
Dec (Quarter) 1842 Robert Dumble + Isabella Gillon Newcastle 25/369
Dec (Quarter) 1893 Robert Dumble + Annie McCullery Sunderland 10a/781
1870 Ann Dumble + Adam Horrocks St John Abram C7/1/118
1871 William Dumble + Sarah Hill St John Abram C7/1/128
1875 Elizabeth Dumble + Robert Clegg St John Abram C7/1/170
1882 Thomas Dumble + Sarah Ann Story St John Abram C7/1/266
1897 Isabella Dumble + Joseph Steele Westleigh St Peter C15L/1/211
1901 Thomas Dumble + Hannah Mary Mee Westleigh St Peter C15L/1/372
The other two relevant marriages from Free BMD site :
Dec (Quarter) 1842 Robert Dumble + Isabella Gillon Newcastle 25/369
Dec (Quarter) 1893 Robert Dumble + Annie McCullery Sunderland 10a/781
Wednesday 7 May 2008
Requests.
I am not the most accurate of people, so if you see an error or would like to check my research please feel free to let me know. In particular I am know for my poor mathematical powers !!!
If you can help with extra information please share - I will acknowledge your work. I also love social history so if you can provide background information in this case especially on the glass industry. I would be interested in what it was like to work in a glassworks, what the different types of glass were, the rise and fall of glassworks. Location of glassworks. What was Newcastle like 1800-1850.
However I must also admit to being quite slow at times in posting things to my blog.
Apologies.
If you can help with extra information please share - I will acknowledge your work. I also love social history so if you can provide background information in this case especially on the glass industry. I would be interested in what it was like to work in a glassworks, what the different types of glass were, the rise and fall of glassworks. Location of glassworks. What was Newcastle like 1800-1850.
However I must also admit to being quite slow at times in posting things to my blog.
Apologies.
Leaving Newcastle.
One of my interests is thinking why people moved. One of the main reasons, it seems is for work. I found this extract which might explain why the Dumbles left Newcastle.
Davidson Glass A history by Chris and Val Stewart
Hardys Publishing Ltd.
"In 1772 there were no fewer than 16 large glass works along the Tyne one making plate glass 3 making crown glass, 5 for broad or common window glass 2 for white or flint glass and 5 bottle houses. The glass from Newcastle was exported all over the world. In 1777 a tax was placed on the sale of glass because it had become an economically important industry.
By 1828 the local glass trade had reached its maximum proportions 40% of all glass made in the UK was made in Newcastle and the duty paid on the glass was in excess of £180,000 a year. Then the glass trade began to decline. In 1845 the import duty on glass was removed. This led to an increase in imported glass, particularly high quality German window glass and cheap bottles, tumblers and cans. Glass houses began to close as they were unable to compete on price with cheaper imports. Foreign competition was to become one of the most important factors in the eventual disappearance of the glass industry from the North East."
Davidson Glass A history by Chris and Val Stewart
Hardys Publishing Ltd.
"In 1772 there were no fewer than 16 large glass works along the Tyne one making plate glass 3 making crown glass, 5 for broad or common window glass 2 for white or flint glass and 5 bottle houses. The glass from Newcastle was exported all over the world. In 1777 a tax was placed on the sale of glass because it had become an economically important industry.
By 1828 the local glass trade had reached its maximum proportions 40% of all glass made in the UK was made in Newcastle and the duty paid on the glass was in excess of £180,000 a year. Then the glass trade began to decline. In 1845 the import duty on glass was removed. This led to an increase in imported glass, particularly high quality German window glass and cheap bottles, tumblers and cans. Glass houses began to close as they were unable to compete on price with cheaper imports. Foreign competition was to become one of the most important factors in the eventual disappearance of the glass industry from the North East."
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